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06/01/2011 9:00:00 AM
In an ideal world, all of PZ Myers appearances would be live streamed to the web where we could all watch/listen in real-time.
Enjoy.
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06/01/2011 7:37:00 AM
The program will be archived here, both as a webcast and transcript:
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/ongoing/bright-ideas/
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Boadinum 06/01/2011 6:03:00 AM
In an ideal world, science and politics would be kept distinctly separate, much as we try to with church and state..." Why should science and politics be kept separate? We need more scientists, artists, free-thinkers...way fewer lawyers and politicians. As for the separation of church and state...in America? The Constitution be damned, church and state are inseparable in this country.
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06/01/2011 4:54:00 AM
You must be pulling our onomatopaeical legs. If I were called 'Mike Hunt', I'd be off to change my name as soon as Gina did (the lady who worked for the Veteran Administration, V.A.Gina) ;-)
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06/01/2011 4:30:00 AM
We may not want politics muddled up in science, but we could certainly do with getting some good science into politics...
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06/01/2011 1:09:00 AM
It boils down to accountants providing money for engineers and engineers providing reasons for money. Let both examine the arguments and convince each other based on facts.
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06/01/2011 1:08:00 AM
Congrats to PZ Myers. The Pharyngula Blog is awesome.
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J Kallis 06/01/2011 1:06:00 AM
So right. The sad truth is that we are already in this "ideal world" where politics & science are kept seperate. And it is a disaster because of that.
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06/01/2011 12:45:00 AM
Excellent point... in MY ideal world, all political decisions would be informed by science.
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05/31/2011 11:13:00 PM
Will the event be recorded and posted on the web?
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Maple Leaf 05/31/2011 10:53:00 PM
The government of Canada retains scientists to advise on fish stocks, hunting limits, climate change and its effects, geology and its relevance to siting nuclear plants, invasive species, planning for healthcare, education, and a host of other interactions with the real world. I am sure that the U.S. government has its scientists, too, and it ignores them to its peril: it ignored Ivor van Heerden's warnings about New Orleans and hurricane floods. It's wise to include the real world in your decision-making process.
Politics should be kept out of decision-making, e.g. the space shuttle rockets that "had to" be built in the right senator's state, even though that meant they had to be made in pieces for easier shipping--and O-ring failure.
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05/31/2011 10:49:00 PM
I agree with Jon Jermey. There has never been a place either for politics or religion in the scientific process. Paul Zachary Myers and his alter ego Clinton Richard Dawkins each abandoned science long ago to seek notoriety as "community organizers" for Universal Atheism, a venture doomed to failure from the outset. Neither is fit to wear the mantle of scientist. For an antidote to their shared contempt for the roots of Western Civilization, I recommend my website and my book "Unpublished Evolution Papers of John A. Davison." Lulu publishers.
jadavison.wordpress.com
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Notagod 05/31/2011 10:35:00 PM
Wouldn't it be a positive development if government officials were obliged to justify their woo with evidence and objective reasoning?
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05/31/2011 10:35:00 PM
Perhaps she should have said that politics should be kept out of science.
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JP 05/31/2011 10:18:00 PM
Yes, yes, yes, we wouldn't want to corrupt politics with facts, reason, or a tested methodology for learning and knowing how things really work!
What in the world is up with the first sentence of this article?
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05/31/2011 10:17:00 PM
I agree with the other three comments. The unfortunate thing is that REAL science and politics don't intersect more often. Usually, vague ideas and money changing hands happens when PSEUDOscience intersects with politics, as in cases with climate change denialism, reduction in reproductive rights, and promotion of creationism in public schools.
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05/31/2011 9:48:00 PM
Yes, this is really bizarre. We have one and only one method for making the best possible decisions in ANY field, and that is to gather and examine the empirical data, and logically deduce from that the likely outcomes of our choices. That's the scientific method. There is no better alternative, regardless of the subject area.
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Ichthyic 05/31/2011 9:35:00 PM
yes, this article starts off as complete fail, not only misconstruing how science and politics can, have, and SHOULD work hand in hand on many legislative issues, but then goes immediately on to use a fallacy of equivalence to religion.
Jessica? You really need to amend your understanding of how everything in your first sentence actually works, or even SHOULD work, otherwise your concept of an "ideal world" apparently is one filled with ignorance.
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Guest 05/31/2011 9:20:00 PM
Science and politics should be separate??? No, no, no. I think you meant science should inform political decisions...
