Revelation 2012

What if the apocalypse already happened?

CARVED INTO the hard stone of a hillside outside the Mexican city of Acapulco is a mysterious image that lay hidden for 4,000 years.

It shows a monkey with one foot lifted in dance. The monkey's long tail curls over its head. The primate appears to be holding a five-pointed star. As in a scene out of Alice in Wonderland, the monkey is perched on the crown of a giant mushroom. Over one shoulder, a series of dots radiates like Morse code, and by the figure's belly, more dots are arrayed around an assemblage of concentric rings. Off to the left is another constellation of three dots.

The Mexican archaeologists who uncovered this strange glyph say it was put there by the ancient Maya around 2000 BC. At that time, the grand cycle of existence laid out in the intricate Mayan calendar system was just 1,000 years old.

Carl de Borhegyi says 2012 doomsayers have it wrong
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Carl de Borhegyi says 2012 doomsayers have it wrong
Suzanne Forrest retrieves a jaguar incense burner lid from the waters of Lake Amatitlán in Guatemala in 1957.
courtesy of Carl deBorhegyi
Suzanne Forrest retrieves a jaguar incense burner lid from the waters of Lake Amatitlán in Guatemala in 1957.
Dr. Stephan de Borhegyi examining a mushroom stone in the 1950s.
courtesy of Carl deBorhegyi
Dr. Stephan de Borhegyi examining a mushroom stone in the 1950s.
Amanita muscaria, a psychotropic mushroom used by the ancient Maya
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Amanita muscaria, a psychotropic mushroom used by the ancient Maya
A collection of the Mayan mushroom stones that fascinated Stephan de Borhegyi. Now, 30 years after his death, his son Carl has taken up his hunt for the secret meaning of the mushroom ritual.
courtesy of Carl deBorhegyi
A collection of the Mayan mushroom stones that fascinated Stephan de Borhegyi. Now, 30 years after his death, his son Carl has taken up his hunt for the secret meaning of the mushroom ritual.

But the timing of the monkey's rediscovery four millennia later is remarkable, because that long age is now drawing to a close. The year 2012 is widely thought to be the end of the Mayan calendar, which has been taken by some to signal the apocalypse.

Yet hidden in the simple lines of the mushroom monkey picture may be the key to a secret that upends everything we think we know about the Maya, their calendar, and the coming apocalypse.

Carl de Borhegyi, a Maya researcher in Minneapolis, has been studying the image closely, and says it has shocking implications.

"There's all this excitement and panic right now about 2012 and the Mayan apocalypse," de Borhegyi says. "But the message contained in this image turns all that upside down.

"Let me put it this way: What if the apocalypse already happened?"

THE WORLD is gripped by fear and fascination with what will take place on December 21, 2012. The significance of the date is traced back to the ancient Maya.

"There are roots in the actual Mayan calendars and texts, of course," says Anthony Aveni, an anthropologist and astronomer at Colgate University who has studied the 2012 phenomenon. "But what we've seen is that as this phenomenon has taken root in popular culture, it's served as a vehicle for a lot of New Age ideas and other pre-existing beliefs."

The panic, which had until then mostly flourished on the internet and in specialty book shops, broke into the mainstream consciousness in 2009, when the blockbuster film 2012 brought visions of widespread devastation to a mass market.

"American religion has always been deeply rooted in apocalyptic endings, and we are coming off a decade of cataclysmic events, from 9/11 to the Japanese earthquake," Aveni says. "I get emails from people telling me they're going to commit suicide. They're taking it seriously."

That's a mistake, says de Borhegyi, who believes the 2012 end date is based on a major miscalculation.

"The Mayans used a much different calendar from the European one," de Borhegyi says. "There's always been some debate about the correlation between the two."

In the Mayan calandar, a tun is a unit of just less than 20 years. Twenty tuns are a k'atun, 20 k'atuns are a b'ak'tun, and 13 b'ak'tuns make up a "great cycle."

It is that great cycle—a 5,125-year period—that doomsayers and new-agers say is coming to a close on December 21, 2012.

But the cycle's end depends on when it began, and not everyone agrees on where to start. By the time Europeans encountered the Mayans, they had stopped using the full "long count" calendar notation in favor of an abbreviation.

"It's as though we started writing all our dates 2/25/11," de Borhegyi explains. "That gives you some information, but if someone came along afterwards, they could get confused. Are we talking about 2011? 1811? 1511?"

The dominant theory for years has been the Goodman-Martinez-Thompson correlation, which pegs the start of the cycle at 3134 BC. That fits the known dates and some of the archaeological evidence, and also squares with carbon-dating evidence.

But so does another theory, called the Spinden correlation, which lines up 260 years earlier on the European calendar.

"That's what makes this monkey so important," de Borhegyi argues. "The dots over his shoulder represent a long-count date: 3.3.4.3.2. Under the Spinden correlation, that lines up with a year known as three-monkey."

De Borhegyi points to the three dots on the left hand side of the carving. "Three," he says, then points to the central figure. "Monkey."

"If you use Goodman-Martinez-Thompson correlation, it doesn't work," he says. "All this talk about the end of the world-age, the apocalypse, Armageddon, planetary alignment—it's wrong. It's not happening in 2012. It happened 259 years ago."

THE SECURITY guards at the Milwaukee Public Museum have known about the ghost for years. Elevators spring to life on their own, invariably making their way to the third floor.

The third floor is home to the special collection of the former director of the museum, a revered Maya archaeologist killed in the prime of his life. A portrait of the man on the third floor, set into a richly carved wooden frame, shows him as he was in life: dapper, mustachioed, with slicked-back hair and a pipe set pensively to his lips.

Lance Hampel, a longtime guard at the museum, says there's no question as to the identity of the ghost, because he was positively ID'ed by a man who knew him in life.

"He saw him come out of this fake tomb wall, and then turn and go down the stairs," says Hampel. "The contractor actually knew the man in the '60s. He said he recognized him instantly."

The ghost is Stephan de Borhegyi—Carl's father.

By the time he arrived in America, Stephan de Borhegyi was like a real-life Indiana Jones. A Hungarian baron, he had fought on both sides of the Second World War before turning his attention to Egyptian archaeology. The charismatic nobleman caused quite a stir in the staid circles of American anthropology when he arrived.

"He had a reputation for being dramatic and flamboyant," recalls Suzanne Forrest, who met de Borhegyi in 1948 and married him a year later. "He enjoyed playing up being Hungarian. He was not above kissing ladies' hands."

Soon after his arrival, de Borhegyi became obsessed with the Mayans. Much less was known in those days about the ancient civilization that once stretched the length of the Yucutan peninsula and deep into present-day Guatemala. Scholars puzzled over what seemed to be the sudden collapse of a once-thriving society centuries before Europeans made their first contact with the Aztecs.

If archaeologists knew little about the cities that thrived between 2000 BC and 900 AD in the fertile lowlands, they knew even less about the Highland Maya, high in the Guatemalan mountains. It was there, in the mountains, that de Borhegyi and his wife collected evidence that suggested scholars were wrong to think of the highland region as a sparse backwater. They returned to the mountains again and again, exploring dozens of significant sites.

Meanwhile, de Borhegyi's career as a museum director was taking off, with appointments to Oklahoma and then to the Milwaukee Public Museum. But he took every available opportunity to visit Guatemala and continue his research.

As he delved deeper into the Highland Maya secrets, de Borhegyi became entranced with a set of mysterious objects he half-jokingly called "mushroom stones"—carved figures about a foot tall with broad, cap-like heads.

Word of de Borhegyi's fascination with the mushroom stones got back to Gordon Wasson, an eccentric banker who was studying the use of psychotropic mushrooms in religious rituals. De Borhegyi's research sounded promising, Wasson thought, so he invited himself and his wife down to see what they could discover together.

"They wanted to go up into the highlands and see if they could find any evidence of a mushroom cult surviving among the descendants of the Maya," de Borhegyi's widow, Forrest, remembers. "We said we'd go with them."

But as the two couples traveled among isolated villages asking about mushroom rituals, they were invariably greeted with a stony silence.

"They'd tell me if I didn't know already, I wasn't old enough to know," Forrest says.

The Wassons left Guatemala in defeat, moving on Mexico. In Oaxaca, they found what they'd been seeking: An old shaman agreed to guide Wasson through an Aztec mushroom ritual. It would be the first documented encounter with psilocybin mushroom by white man.

"I felt that I was now seeing plain, whereas ordinary vision gives us an imperfect view," Wasson wrote of his experience. "I was seeing the archetypes, the Platonic ideas, that underlie the imperfect images of everyday life. The thought crossed my mind: Could the divine mushrooms be the secret that lay behind the ancient mysteries?"

Wasson's account of his trip was published in Life and kicked off the psychedelic '60s. Wasson's mushroom samples made their way to Harvard, where Timothy Leary and Ram Dass turned on and dropped out. They were also sent to a Swiss chemist named Albert Hofmann, who synthesized the active ingredient and later became known as the father of LSD.

In Guatemala, de Borhegyi's progress on the Mayan mushroom mystery stalled, but he was making other discoveries. Using an early iteration of the Scuba technology developed by Jacques Cousteau, he pioneered one of the earliest examples of underwater archaeology at Lake Amatitlán.

In the summer of 1969, Carl was only 11, but that was old enough to join his father working on a dig. The boy found that he too had a taste for archaeology.

"I remember sitting on the dock and seeing my dad breaking the surface with these incredible figurines in his hands," Carl says. "They were like action figures to me at the time. I wanted them."

One day, Carl was walking with his father by a creek not far from the dig site when a glint of obsidian in the earth caught his eye. It was an arrowhead.

"My dad saw that, and he said, 'You'll make a great archaeologist some day,'" Carl recalls. "That made me smile."

A few months later, tragedy struck. Stephan de Borhegyi had traveled to Chicago for work, but decided to drive through the night in order to be back at the museum by Friday. In the early hours of the morning, his car lurched off North Avenue and slammed into a bridge.

De Borhegyi died instantly. He was 47.

"He had accomplished so much, but so much of his work was also left undone," Carl says. "It doesn't surprise me that the people at the museum say he haunts it. I feel his presence too. He's always over my shoulder. I feel him guiding me."

FROM THE MOMENT Carl saw the event listing, he couldn't get it out of his head: a meeting of the Maya Society at Hamline College, everyone welcome.

It had been more than 30 years since the death of his father, but Carl felt his spirit urging him forward. He called the number listed, and spoke to Phyllis Messenger, the head of the Maya Society.

"I'm interested!" Carl said.

"De Borhegyi," Phyllis said out loud, turning the caller's name over in her mouth. "Are you by any chance related to the great Mayan archaeologist Stephan de Borhegyi?"

"Yes," Carl said. "He was my father."

Suddenly, Carl couldn't stop talking. He confided in Phyllis things he had told hardly anyone—all about his father's death, how it had left a wound that had never fully healed, how after living his whole adult life away from the world of archeology, he wondered if his father wanted him to take up his work with the Maya.

Phyllis told Carl she understood. Her husband had also long been troubled by the death of someone close to him. A Maya scholar himself, Skip Messenger had been standing next to his friend and mentor Denis Puleston atop a Mayan pyramid in Chichen Itza when Puleston was struck by lightning.

"Skip tried to give him CPR, but it was no use," Phyllis told Carl, and paused. "Come to the next Maya Society meeting. I think you might find it's therapeutic."

She was right. From his first visit to the lecture hall in the Drew Science Building, de Borhegyi felt at home. The group brought some of the foremost experts on Mayan civilization to speak, and with every presentation, Carl found himself more fascinated.

He forged an especially close bond with Skip, a kind-eyed man with a Santa Claus beard who remembered meeting Carl's father. Skip invited Carl to take his class the next semester—an introduction to the Maya for Hamline undergraduates.

Carl accepted, and thrived in the program.

"He was so enthusiastic, so excited," Skip says.

After class, Carl whiled away evenings studying his father's papers. He came across repeated mentions of the mushroom mystery, and felt certain that his father must have been right: Psychoactive mushrooms played a central role in Mayan religion.

But just like his father, Carl couldn't find the evidence to prove it.

Until one night he did.

Carl was sitting alone at the dining room table, exploring an online archive of newly scanned images from Mayan funerary vases. He clicked open the first photo in the collection and his jaw dropped.

Two priestly figures stood in a procession. Emblazoned on their robes were psychedelic mushrooms.

"I started shaking," de Borhegyi remembers. "I couldn't believe it. I had found my Rosetta stone."

He rushed upstairs, where his wife, Barbara, had fallen asleep with their young son Cole.

"Wake up!" he said. "I found it! I found the mushrooms!"

Groggy, Barbara didn't immediately register the significance of her husband's words. But Cole did.

"Jeez, Mom," Cole said. "Dad just cracked the Maya code and you're not excited?"

A FEW MONTHS LATER, Carl stood anxiously fiddling with his pointer in the familiar Hamline lecture room as the Maya Society members trickled in.

Turnout looked to be good that night—nearly 100 people, an auspicious crowd for the public unveiling of his discovery.

After years with the Maya Society, Carl now sat on its board, and had a hand in selecting the experts invited to speak. He had invited his mother, Suzanne Forrest, who shared so many of his father's adventures, to talk. But at the last minute, she had injured herself on a trip.

It was the perfect moment to unveil his mushroom findings.

As the lights went down, Carl began his PowerPoint presentation, starting with a slide of the vase that triggered his epiphany.

In the months since his first discovery, he had found hundreds and hundreds of mushroom images in the vase archive. Some were obvious, others hidden in a headdress or as decorative border elements. But once you knew what to look for, the mushrooms were everywhere.

"The discovery of the mushrooms unlocks a whole new level of understanding of the Maya," Carl said. "They used these mushrooms as a sacrament to travel to the underworld, just as the god Quetzalcoatl does every day when the sun sets. That's what the jaguar imagery you see everywhere in Mayan art represents: the transformation into a being of the underworld. That's how they could throw themselves into this death cult, this ritual sacrifice and suicide and bloodletting—they were high on mushrooms."

But to Carl's dismay, not everyone in the audience was persuaded by his revolutionary discovery. Skip, his friend and mentor, thought Carl had overreached.

"He just went a little overboard," Skip says. "He was flipping through images, using the pointer, just saying, 'Mushroom, mushroom, mushroom.' There were certainly some images that I was ready to admit were mushrooms, but a lot of them were just a stretch."

Skip didn't want to pour cold water on Carl's enthusiasm, but he did want to teach him an important lesson he had learned during his own long career in academia: Grand unifying theories are usually illusory. By pursuing mushrooms as a universal key that unlocked a world of hidden meanings in Mayan artifacts, Carl might be chasing a ghost.

"There's a guy who thinks that pretty much everything in Mayan iconography can be decoded with the patterns on the back of a rattlesnake," Skip says. "There's another guy who thinks the key to this whole thing is this particular spider.

"So there's a long line of overly reductionist interpretations."

SITTING IN HIS south Minneapolis home on a recent morning, Carl says the critics don't see the pattern because they don't want to see it. For those with an open mind, the evidence is undeniable.

He gestures toward the rubbing of a Mayan frieze given to his father by a colleague half a century ago, now framed and hung on his dining room wall. The contours are rough, but it clearly shows stylized figures adorned in robes and jewelry.

"Look at the earplugs," Carl says urgently. "Mushrooms."

On his laptop, Carl cycles through some of his latest discoveries of mushroom imagery on funeral vases. He returns once again to the dancing monkey.

"Armageddon has already happened," Carl says. "We missed it. The world didn't end—it just started a new cycle."

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Mayan scholar
Mayan scholar

This is what the Maya really gave us a ( 3 months-since they always opt for the winter solstice) heads up on: From my post (Maya scholar) on, "The # 11 and the YEAR 2011 - 2012" :

Let's play the Real End-of-the-World Game - The # 11 produces the most important integers in Mankind's history: 11, 22, 33, 44. Jesus Christ would be 2011 years old this year in Oct. (Start of Biblical 2011). Jesus is the DOUBLE for Adam. DOUBLE Jesus' AGE and you get the year 4022 B.C.E., the date of Adam's Creation. ADD Adam's date of BIRTH to Jesus' AGE you get 6033, Adam's age this year, with # 33 being Adam's age when he sinned (DIED), consequently Jesus' age when he DIED. Thus, Jesus and Adam have the SAME date of BIRTH and the SAME date of DEATH. Now, this year (2011), and this year only, everything is locked together providentially, thanks to Adam's sin, and can't go any further. Jesus and Adam formed the Divine life cycle of Mankind, established by God, that would now repeat itself every 6033 years. (EX: 2011 + 6033 = 8044 C.E., double 4022, and start of third cycle if we are still here).

2011 is the END (Oct. 2012) of the first Adamic/Jesus life cycle. Jesus' life-for-life RANSOM will be fully paid this year! There is no need for it to be repeated! This is the END of the 1st BIBLICAL CYCLE. Who knows what's going to happen after that? But, like the end of the Mayan Calendar, be prepared for anything! (The Maya discerned this cycle in the Holy Writings centuries ago.

This is the real story behind the number 11, or 111, that's currently on the internet about matching your birth date with your age to get the year 2011 and any combination thereof. But, notice the unique matching of two DIFFERENT people, Jesus and Adam, and how they get the results for each other, in any combination. It only works for them! And this year 2011 only, because, remember, their dates of BIRTH and DEATH are locked together by GOD. Try it!

Jeromefowler7
Jeromefowler7

Carl, it doesn't matter. The Maya are not the authority on this, cosmology is; and if the Mayan date has come and gone, so be it. The galactic alignment that God set in motion is still coming in 2012. We can just thank the Maya for giving us a heads-up. See my post earlier.

bronson
bronson

wow, you really called out the crazies with this one, City Pages.

Carl de Borhegyi
Carl de Borhegyi

l would agree that the author/reporter Nick Pinto, could have spent more time, and given more explanation on the correlation debate, and the archaeological evidence which greatly supports the Herbert Spinden correlation, rather than writing about my father as being a ghost. It should also be noted that the two correlations, the Spinden correlation and the GMT correlation differ by 260 years and not 250 years (someone else s typo not mine), and that the Maya calendar thus ended 259 years ago and not 252 years ago, which is another typo I found. Nick (he is a super nice guy) could have also mentioned that all the convincing mushroom imagery and archaeological evidence which supports the Spinden correlation can be seen, and read, at mushroomstone.com BREAKING THE MUSHROOM CODE: by Carl de Borhegyi

I hope people go to the site and see for themselves That not only were the Maya onto something, but they were also on something!!

Che
Che

was my comment deleted?

Che
Che

Albert Hofmann's synthesis of LSD in 1938 had absolutely nothing to do with central american psilocybin mushrooms, or a search for psychedelic experiences. It was derived from ergot rye fungus during research to obtain a respiratory and circulatory stimulant. Hofmann accidentally discovered the psychedelic attributes of the substance in 1943. This is well-documented information which has been readily available for decades.

Hofmann did extensive study of psychedelic compounds after his inital LSD discovery, including isolating psilocybin from the mushroom samples that Wasson brought back. But to suggest that he intentionally created LSD as a result of Wasson's influence is a total mangling of the facts which 5 minutes of online research could have prevented.

Bscott69
Bscott69

thats all great thinking though it doesnt explain the galactic alignment on 12/21/12 the reason for the end of the galactic cycle which is proven to be true.

theknowitall69
theknowitall69

Every time I've tried psilocybin I saw very vivid Mayan and Egyptian imagery. There is certainly something to this. A bunch of psychedelic came from Mexico.

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While this particular piece was news to me and a very compelling theory about the Mayan's and their ways of sacrifice, I think the story could have delved into what surrounds the year 2012. It is rather a time of change into a new cycle, as the Carl puts it. But the change, as represented by a female figure, suggests mother nature taking over instead of man. These changes could be evident if you look for them, or they could have already been there as we look at the catastrophic disasters of the past 20 years and beyond. The point that the Mayan calender, according to many, is that mother nature will deal with us if we do not band together and make a difference.Man has done so much damage to the world and continues to do so. The world will eventually strike back. Global warming anyone?

Erik Hare
Erik Hare

The world did end - it was actually 2000 years ago. But, as is always the case, no one has noticed.

http://erikhare.wordpress.com/...

It's not about the Mayans, it's about the Romans. Or whichever end-of-time prophesy you're into at any moment. This one is even more fun because it comes down to us not in an obscure monument but in the heavily coded book of Revelation.

Crazy? Sure, why not.

Noone
Noone

All good points. You're right on all counts. I guess Amanita muscaria is just so much more colorful and prettier than Psilocybes.

Are you "the" Sara Jane?

Sara Jane
Sara Jane

What is the point of this article? The title suggests something about the apocalypse and the Mayan calender but the text barely skims the subject and no background to the 2012 whatever-it-is is offered. Certainly some of Jose Arguelles' followers in the "Natural Time Movement" or Mayan scholars with differing viewpoints would love to lend their insights to a VVM article. Then there's something about the ghost of 'The Most Interesting Man In The World', then lookout! magic mushrooms! Sure the Mayans used psilocybes, that seems to have been pretty well established in the anglo-american knowledge base for 50 or so years now, how does a broadened archive of Mayan mushroom pictures crack a 'code'? How do mushrooms relate to the accurate translation of the Mayan calender into the Gregorian calender? What does the ghost baron have to do with all of this?

Also images of amanita muscaria are presented on the cover picture and in a photograph with the caption "Amanita muscaria, a psychotropic mushroom used by the ancient Maya", was it? What is your source on this? Modern and ancient (according to statues and friezes) Mayans use(d) psilocybes but amanitas are very different mushrooms with very different psychoactive constituents. If you do have a source for this please publish more details, the ethnobotanists of world would be thrilled- but are you perhaps confusing Gordon Wasson's research into amanita use in Siberia and South Asia with his psilocybe oriented research in Mexico and Central America?

I'm not trying to troll or be mean here I'm really confused about what I should be taking away from what seems like a mash-up of the synopsis of three different interesting stories sprinkled with questionable claims about amanita use by Mayans.

Greendean3
Greendean3

My personal thoughts are that yes we have mis-calculated the date, most of my research points to March 21 2013 as the final day in this count. Although there will be some very interesting astral events on December 21 2012. I am also unsure about the statements in regards to Leary, Dass and Hoffman, as they were into LSD which is derived from a mold not a fungus.

Carl de Borhegyi
Carl de Borhegyi

I found a typo in the 2012 Revelation article that should state that the correlation of the Maya calendar is off by 260 years, and not 252 years. The Spinden correlation establishes the date for the beginning of the First world cycle at 3374 B.C. It places the "so-called" end of the Mayan Fifth world cycle at 1752 CE rather than 2012. In other words, contrary to much contemporary hype, the end of the "Fifth world" may have already occurred. If so, instead of Armageddon, the Mayan Calendar simply began another cycle. Carl de Borhegyi

bronson
bronson

why would a ghost need to use an elevator?

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hormel Man
hormel Man

The Apocalypse is happing now - they just closed PORKY's!

Jason Dorweiler
Jason Dorweiler

Oh sorry bronson for going beyond your train of thought.

Jeromefowler7
Jeromefowler7

That's right! You can change calendars, you can change researchers, but you can't change the universe, and that alignment is going to take place next year, like it or not, so back to worrying! No, don't worry. My latest research has discovered when the last alignment occurred (23,614 B.C.E.) and nothing happened. In fact, it might be the first time it occurred - I'm waiting on confirmation from God on this fact. Even though we were not here yet, Bible enthusiasts can find it "in the beginning". HINT: Day 4 - Gen. 1:14-19.

Klanting
Klanting

In response to Sara Jane:I think you put into words better than I could what was going through my head as I read this article. I stumbled upon it through twitter because I seem be having intesne paranoid episodes about the end of days and 2012 correlation. However, this article jumped from one point/topic to another and now im left with a feeling of confusion and almost relief. If someone with the extensive resources, background and knowledge on the topic as Carl de Borhegyi can come to the conclusion to dismiss the 'end of days' theory due to the hallucinogenics present in specific mushroom, then maybe I, someone very less knowledgable on the topic, am putting to much weight into said theory as well...or maybe I should stop feeding into my paranoia, which i believe could stem from becoming a parent to two boys in a short time.Relax, breathe and take everyday as a gift is my daily mantra.

Email
Email

Google is your friend my dear: If you were to spend less than two minutes looking it up you would learn that Leary, Dass, and Hofmann (one f two n's) were into psychedelics in general- including, but not limited to, both LSD and psilocybin-containing mushrooms. Larry and Dass were some of the many influenced by the Wasson article mentioned in this article, Hofmann did the chemistry hard lifting and purified, identified, and synthesized psilocybin from samples Wasson sent him (they also wrote a book together about all sorts of crazy psychedelic plants).

And if you were to spend another minute looking into things you're unsure of you may find that molds are funguses.

Jeromefowler7
Jeromefowler7

Carl, did you see my post (jeromefowler7) to you an hr. ago? Had trouble sendn it thru yahoo, but it did post under this one.

bronson
bronson

your train of thought has blown right past Rationality Station and is currently barreling toward The Mythical Land of Paranoid Delusions.

Greendean3
Greendean3

Sorry I should have been more clear as you are correct molds are fungi but not all fungi are molds,i.e.mushrooms are a fungi and not a mold. But LSD is derived form a mold. Also it is kind of lame to correct me of Hofmann's spelling and then misspell Leary

Greendean3
Greendean3

It was just the way it was worded that people could easily infer that LSD was derived from Wassons sample, I was just trying to clear that up. As Written: "They were also sent to a Swiss chemist named Albert Hofmann, who synthesized the active ingredient and later became known as the father of LSD." Anyways, your main comment was on point and thoughtful, thank you.

Sara Jane
Sara Jane

You're right that was kind of lame. But go back and read more carefully- no one here is claiming that LSD was derived from the mushrooms used by Mayans.

 
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