Revelation 2012

What if the apocalypse already happened?

Skip didn't want to pour cold water on Carl's enthusiasm, but he did want to teach him an important lesson he had learned during his own long career in academia: Grand unifying theories are usually illusory. By pursuing mushrooms as a universal key that unlocked a world of hidden meanings in Mayan artifacts, Carl might be chasing a ghost.

"There's a guy who thinks that pretty much everything in Mayan iconography can be decoded with the patterns on the back of a rattlesnake," Skip says. "There's another guy who thinks the key to this whole thing is this particular spider.

"So there's a long line of overly reductionist interpretations."

Carl de Borhegyi says 2012 doomsayers have it wrong
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Carl de Borhegyi says 2012 doomsayers have it wrong

SITTING IN HIS south Minneapolis home on a recent morning, Carl says the critics don't see the pattern because they don't want to see it. For those with an open mind, the evidence is undeniable.

He gestures toward the rubbing of a Mayan frieze given to his father by a colleague half a century ago, now framed and hung on his dining room wall. The contours are rough, but it clearly shows stylized figures adorned in robes and jewelry.

"Look at the earplugs," Carl says urgently. "Mushrooms."

On his laptop, Carl cycles through some of his latest discoveries of mushroom imagery on funeral vases. He returns once again to the dancing monkey.

"Armageddon has already happened," Carl says. "We missed it. The world didn't end—it just started a new cycle."

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Mayan scholar
Mayan scholar

This is what the Maya really gave us a ( 3 months-since they always opt for the winter solstice) heads up on: From my post (Maya scholar) on, "The # 11 and the YEAR 2011 - 2012" :

Let's play the Real End-of-the-World Game - The # 11 produces the most important integers in Mankind's history: 11, 22, 33, 44. Jesus Christ would be 2011 years old this year in Oct. (Start of Biblical 2011). Jesus is the DOUBLE for Adam. DOUBLE Jesus' AGE and you get the year 4022 B.C.E., the date of Adam's Creation. ADD Adam's date of BIRTH to Jesus' AGE you get 6033, Adam's age this year, with # 33 being Adam's age when he sinned (DIED), consequently Jesus' age when he DIED. Thus, Jesus and Adam have the SAME date of BIRTH and the SAME date of DEATH. Now, this year (2011), and this year only, everything is locked together providentially, thanks to Adam's sin, and can't go any further. Jesus and Adam formed the Divine life cycle of Mankind, established by God, that would now repeat itself every 6033 years. (EX: 2011 + 6033 = 8044 C.E., double 4022, and start of third cycle if we are still here).

2011 is the END (Oct. 2012) of the first Adamic/Jesus life cycle. Jesus' life-for-life RANSOM will be fully paid this year! There is no need for it to be repeated! This is the END of the 1st BIBLICAL CYCLE. Who knows what's going to happen after that? But, like the end of the Mayan Calendar, be prepared for anything! (The Maya discerned this cycle in the Holy Writings centuries ago.

This is the real story behind the number 11, or 111, that's currently on the internet about matching your birth date with your age to get the year 2011 and any combination thereof. But, notice the unique matching of two DIFFERENT people, Jesus and Adam, and how they get the results for each other, in any combination. It only works for them! And this year 2011 only, because, remember, their dates of BIRTH and DEATH are locked together by GOD. Try it!

Jeromefowler7
Jeromefowler7

Carl, it doesn't matter. The Maya are not the authority on this, cosmology is; and if the Mayan date has come and gone, so be it. The galactic alignment that God set in motion is still coming in 2012. We can just thank the Maya for giving us a heads-up. See my post earlier.

bronson
bronson

wow, you really called out the crazies with this one, City Pages.

Carl de Borhegyi
Carl de Borhegyi

l would agree that the author/reporter Nick Pinto, could have spent more time, and given more explanation on the correlation debate, and the archaeological evidence which greatly supports the Herbert Spinden correlation, rather than writing about my father as being a ghost. It should also be noted that the two correlations, the Spinden correlation and the GMT correlation differ by 260 years and not 250 years (someone else s typo not mine), and that the Maya calendar thus ended 259 years ago and not 252 years ago, which is another typo I found. Nick (he is a super nice guy) could have also mentioned that all the convincing mushroom imagery and archaeological evidence which supports the Spinden correlation can be seen, and read, at mushroomstone.com BREAKING THE MUSHROOM CODE: by Carl de Borhegyi

I hope people go to the site and see for themselves That not only were the Maya onto something, but they were also on something!!

Che
Che

was my comment deleted?

Che
Che

Albert Hofmann's synthesis of LSD in 1938 had absolutely nothing to do with central american psilocybin mushrooms, or a search for psychedelic experiences. It was derived from ergot rye fungus during research to obtain a respiratory and circulatory stimulant. Hofmann accidentally discovered the psychedelic attributes of the substance in 1943. This is well-documented information which has been readily available for decades.

Hofmann did extensive study of psychedelic compounds after his inital LSD discovery, including isolating psilocybin from the mushroom samples that Wasson brought back. But to suggest that he intentionally created LSD as a result of Wasson's influence is a total mangling of the facts which 5 minutes of online research could have prevented.

Bscott69
Bscott69

thats all great thinking though it doesnt explain the galactic alignment on 12/21/12 the reason for the end of the galactic cycle which is proven to be true.

theknowitall69
theknowitall69

Every time I've tried psilocybin I saw very vivid Mayan and Egyptian imagery. There is certainly something to this. A bunch of psychedelic came from Mexico.

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Jason Dorweiler

While this particular piece was news to me and a very compelling theory about the Mayan's and their ways of sacrifice, I think the story could have delved into what surrounds the year 2012. It is rather a time of change into a new cycle, as the Carl puts it. But the change, as represented by a female figure, suggests mother nature taking over instead of man. These changes could be evident if you look for them, or they could have already been there as we look at the catastrophic disasters of the past 20 years and beyond. The point that the Mayan calender, according to many, is that mother nature will deal with us if we do not band together and make a difference.Man has done so much damage to the world and continues to do so. The world will eventually strike back. Global warming anyone?

Erik Hare
Erik Hare

The world did end - it was actually 2000 years ago. But, as is always the case, no one has noticed.

http://erikhare.wordpress.com/...

It's not about the Mayans, it's about the Romans. Or whichever end-of-time prophesy you're into at any moment. This one is even more fun because it comes down to us not in an obscure monument but in the heavily coded book of Revelation.

Crazy? Sure, why not.

Noone
Noone

All good points. You're right on all counts. I guess Amanita muscaria is just so much more colorful and prettier than Psilocybes.

Are you "the" Sara Jane?

Sara Jane
Sara Jane

What is the point of this article? The title suggests something about the apocalypse and the Mayan calender but the text barely skims the subject and no background to the 2012 whatever-it-is is offered. Certainly some of Jose Arguelles' followers in the "Natural Time Movement" or Mayan scholars with differing viewpoints would love to lend their insights to a VVM article. Then there's something about the ghost of 'The Most Interesting Man In The World', then lookout! magic mushrooms! Sure the Mayans used psilocybes, that seems to have been pretty well established in the anglo-american knowledge base for 50 or so years now, how does a broadened archive of Mayan mushroom pictures crack a 'code'? How do mushrooms relate to the accurate translation of the Mayan calender into the Gregorian calender? What does the ghost baron have to do with all of this?

Also images of amanita muscaria are presented on the cover picture and in a photograph with the caption "Amanita muscaria, a psychotropic mushroom used by the ancient Maya", was it? What is your source on this? Modern and ancient (according to statues and friezes) Mayans use(d) psilocybes but amanitas are very different mushrooms with very different psychoactive constituents. If you do have a source for this please publish more details, the ethnobotanists of world would be thrilled- but are you perhaps confusing Gordon Wasson's research into amanita use in Siberia and South Asia with his psilocybe oriented research in Mexico and Central America?

I'm not trying to troll or be mean here I'm really confused about what I should be taking away from what seems like a mash-up of the synopsis of three different interesting stories sprinkled with questionable claims about amanita use by Mayans.

Greendean3
Greendean3

My personal thoughts are that yes we have mis-calculated the date, most of my research points to March 21 2013 as the final day in this count. Although there will be some very interesting astral events on December 21 2012. I am also unsure about the statements in regards to Leary, Dass and Hoffman, as they were into LSD which is derived from a mold not a fungus.

Carl de Borhegyi
Carl de Borhegyi

I found a typo in the 2012 Revelation article that should state that the correlation of the Maya calendar is off by 260 years, and not 252 years. The Spinden correlation establishes the date for the beginning of the First world cycle at 3374 B.C. It places the "so-called" end of the Mayan Fifth world cycle at 1752 CE rather than 2012. In other words, contrary to much contemporary hype, the end of the "Fifth world" may have already occurred. If so, instead of Armageddon, the Mayan Calendar simply began another cycle. Carl de Borhegyi

bronson
bronson

why would a ghost need to use an elevator?

ENTIRE ARTICLE DISMISSED!

hormel Man
hormel Man

The Apocalypse is happing now - they just closed PORKY's!

Jason Dorweiler
Jason Dorweiler

Oh sorry bronson for going beyond your train of thought.

Jeromefowler7
Jeromefowler7

That's right! You can change calendars, you can change researchers, but you can't change the universe, and that alignment is going to take place next year, like it or not, so back to worrying! No, don't worry. My latest research has discovered when the last alignment occurred (23,614 B.C.E.) and nothing happened. In fact, it might be the first time it occurred - I'm waiting on confirmation from God on this fact. Even though we were not here yet, Bible enthusiasts can find it "in the beginning". HINT: Day 4 - Gen. 1:14-19.

Klanting
Klanting

In response to Sara Jane:I think you put into words better than I could what was going through my head as I read this article. I stumbled upon it through twitter because I seem be having intesne paranoid episodes about the end of days and 2012 correlation. However, this article jumped from one point/topic to another and now im left with a feeling of confusion and almost relief. If someone with the extensive resources, background and knowledge on the topic as Carl de Borhegyi can come to the conclusion to dismiss the 'end of days' theory due to the hallucinogenics present in specific mushroom, then maybe I, someone very less knowledgable on the topic, am putting to much weight into said theory as well...or maybe I should stop feeding into my paranoia, which i believe could stem from becoming a parent to two boys in a short time.Relax, breathe and take everyday as a gift is my daily mantra.

Email
Email

Google is your friend my dear: If you were to spend less than two minutes looking it up you would learn that Leary, Dass, and Hofmann (one f two n's) were into psychedelics in general- including, but not limited to, both LSD and psilocybin-containing mushrooms. Larry and Dass were some of the many influenced by the Wasson article mentioned in this article, Hofmann did the chemistry hard lifting and purified, identified, and synthesized psilocybin from samples Wasson sent him (they also wrote a book together about all sorts of crazy psychedelic plants).

And if you were to spend another minute looking into things you're unsure of you may find that molds are funguses.

Jeromefowler7
Jeromefowler7

Carl, did you see my post (jeromefowler7) to you an hr. ago? Had trouble sendn it thru yahoo, but it did post under this one.

bronson
bronson

your train of thought has blown right past Rationality Station and is currently barreling toward The Mythical Land of Paranoid Delusions.

Greendean3
Greendean3

Sorry I should have been more clear as you are correct molds are fungi but not all fungi are molds,i.e.mushrooms are a fungi and not a mold. But LSD is derived form a mold. Also it is kind of lame to correct me of Hofmann's spelling and then misspell Leary

Greendean3
Greendean3

It was just the way it was worded that people could easily infer that LSD was derived from Wassons sample, I was just trying to clear that up. As Written: "They were also sent to a Swiss chemist named Albert Hofmann, who synthesized the active ingredient and later became known as the father of LSD." Anyways, your main comment was on point and thoughtful, thank you.

Sara Jane
Sara Jane

You're right that was kind of lame. But go back and read more carefully- no one here is claiming that LSD was derived from the mushrooms used by Mayans.

 
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