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Steve 06/11/2011 7:33:00 PM
Luke,the reason I opted out of the Talk-show hosting business is I was tired of dealing with idiots like you. The fact is,two wrongs don't make a right,but with guys like you common sense has no bearing on the situation; losers simply need to get women drunk to get laid now and then and that's exactly why you support ladies'night even though civil and criminal laws say it's illegal. Also,for the record,I might be visiting the Twin Cities later this summer, and if I do I'll be making a huge swath through Minneapolis and St. Paul busting ladies'night,in person,with a microphone,camera,and a lawyer. And then when I'm at the bank depositing my court settlement checks that I will have won for my civil rights having been infringed upon, I'll tell the chick teller, "This is thanks to Luke and his loser pals." Ka-ching.
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Luke 06/09/2011 4:57:00 AM
For the record, Sally's also had a men's night. Interesting how Mr. Horner did not mention that. Also, any guy who is offended by ladies night obviously isn't trying to find a lady. I'm a guy, and the reason I went to Sally's on ladies night was to meet women!
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Steve 02/22/2011 10:15:00 PM
As a matter of fact,the whiny crybabies you're seeing on the steps of the Wisconsin State Capitol,who all ought to be in jail for misuse of public funds,are the result of the ladies'night syndrome: the belief that some protected classes of people are entitled to special favors,while others are not.The chaos was all forecasted in my novel,The Unusual Frank White(see Purchase Page) on my personal web site by googling in Steve Horner.And,by the way,it's all going to get a whole lot uglier, before it gets a slight better.
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Alex 02/17/2011 11:21:00 PM
I would disagree with femenism comment, I very much believe in equality for all, and think femenism has done alot of good to bring about that equality. I just don't feel that women should be entitiled to special perks just because of their gender. Opening the doors, giving up a seat on a bus -all these things are done with an assumption that women are not equal- and that is wrong. They also should be drafted for selective service just like they do in Israel. Equality means exactly that - equality.
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Steve Horner 02/17/2011 10:43:00 PM
That a boy,Alex. You've spotlighted a big reason to get behind the battle. In addition,as more and more women come to believe they deserve special favors,they have become arrogant and vindictive which has led to more and more of them landing behind bars. As a matter of fact,women age 18-24 are now the fastest growing segment of the jail and prison population. You can thank the feminist movement for indoctrinating women with the notion that they deserve special favors; affirmative action and ladies'night go hand in hand.
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Alex 02/17/2011 7:34:00 PM
I fully support that man! Women only care about double standart when it hurts them. And guys are made feel "un-macho" if they ever raise the issue. I refuse to be treated as 2nd class citizen. Women today want their RIGHTS (which i support) ,AND THE PERKS they used to get in the old days (to compensate for staying in the kitchen all day ).You CAN'T HAVE BOTH!
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Steve 02/12/2011 7:19:00 PM
...and wasn't racial segregation designed to boost business by discriminating against a certain class of people?
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Steve 02/12/2011 7:16:00 PM
...and wasn't racial segregation designed to boost business by keeping those "dirty" black people out of sight? It's all described in easy-to-follow text at stevehornerbooks.com
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... really? 02/09/2011 6:15:00 PM
Isn't Ladies Night actually a business strategy used to attract more MEN to the bar, with promises of drunk women?
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Disgusted Reader 01/31/2011 8:46:00 PM
Go Fuck Yourself Steve Horner
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Steve Horner 01/04/2011 7:58:00 PM
Thank you. It's good to know that my ladies' night argument is finally starting to be understood.
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12/29/2010 12:09:00 AM
Fair point. Consider this as well, currently men comprise the bulk of the homeless, war dead, workplace deaths, and a whole bunch of other negative aspects of society. If women get real true actual equality, as in the sugar and salt he's discussing, guess who's going to be dying more on the job, losing limbs, and so on.
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12/29/2010 12:05:00 AM
If women are to have equal pay then they must have equal costs. Simple as that. What this man is complaining about is sexism, pure and simple. If the venues hung up a sign saying blacks had to pay, but whites got in free everyone would be jumping up and down demanding heads to roll. This discrimination is absolutely no different.
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Steve Horner 12/23/2010 7:27:00 PM
Here are my answers to the concerns of writers Kristina and Danielle: Danielle,if you put yourself in "the public eye" more often you would know that age is not a protected class in regards to state civil-rights laws at places of public accommodations; gender is.Isn't it time Danielle,that you women stop asking for favors on one hand,while demanding equality on the other? Stop being a baby. As for you,Kristina,and your request for me to be less "chauvinistic" in my judgement towards women, I ask you,sweetheart,who do you think you're addressing? Mark Dayton? I don't need to kowtow to the likes of you.In my book(literally),most of the women I know these days,young and old alike,have come to deserve very little of my respect; it's of their own doing,or,I should probably say,undoing.In any event,if you want examples of why I make that claim,please ask.I'll be happy to reel off dozens.
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Danielle N. 12/17/2010 4:33:00 AM
So is Horner's next move to start filing complaints against establishments that offer a senior citizen's discount? Sounds like he is just looking for a reason to put himself in the public eye.
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Kristina 12/16/2010 6:50:00 AM
Dear Steve Horner,
Can you please try to fight for equal protection under the law and equality without being so chauvinistic, derogatory, hateful, and full of judgment towards women. You should be ashamed of yourself for some of the comments you have made here. I agree that Ladies Night Specials are a form of discrimination, I consider myself a feminist, and I have never thought that I had to bring down the opposite sex to increase my rights like you have in your arguments. I think you would get a lot farther with your fight and people would take you more seriously if you didnt reduce your arguments to name calling, childish judgments, and personal attacks.
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Steve Horner 12/14/2010 1:19:00 AM
Yes, I understand,there has always been justification in the minds of some to ignore civil rights laws. In the case of ladies'nights the principles of equality is swept under the rug because ladies'nights are thought to provide frivolity,liquor,sex,and money. The fact is,ladies'nights typically invite arrogant,vindictive women who believe the world owes them a living: they don't tip,they're rude to the bartenders,and they oftentimes leave the bar having drunk more than they should have only to get in their car and attempt to drive home intoxicated.If they do leave with somebody whom they just met while drinking too much,the evening oftentimes ends in an unwanted pregnancy. Then,as far as the comment being made that Sally's ladies'nights are justified because men drink free on other nights; all I have to say is,How frickin' stupid can you get? Don't you know that two wrongs don't make a right? If you break the law one night,can that be justified by breaking the law again the next night? God,what dummies.Help us.
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Trillessa 12/11/2010 2:50:00 AM
Oh and don't blame women for ladie's nights. It is completely the fault of the businesses.
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Trillessa 12/11/2010 2:48:00 AM
As a female I do agree that this is gender discrimination. As such, it is illegal. However, the reason these specials started in the first place was to increase the number of women in the bars/clubs because that would increase the number of guys, which in return increases the profits for those nights. Same reason chat lines, and dating phone lines in the '90s had a free number for women and a fee number for men.
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Casey Vrla 12/02/2010 7:18:00 AM
He is poorly educated on the drink specials at Sally's. Guys drink free (and only guys) on Tuesdays and everyone drinks free on Thursdays. He sounds like an agry misguided man.
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Steve Horner 12/02/2010 2:03:00 AM
Dear "Shaking my Head;" Were you under the impression that a person must be dragged out of his home at midnight and lynched in order to be a victim of civil-rights violations? Sounds like you're not only shaking your head,but could very well be a victim of shaken-baby syndrome. In my book on single parenting at stevehornerbooks.com,I quote Martin Luther King Jr. as saying to America,"Let us live out our creed." He was speaking of the Constitution's directive of Equal Protection Under the Law. In his case,black people were denied equal rights because they were black; in my case I was denied equal rights because I'm a man; today,males and blacks are listed under civil-rights laws as members of a protected class;same as white people and women are members of a protected class. Just think how wonderful our world would be today if ALL people would have honored the Constitution's directive of Equal Protection Under the Law.Not just when it's convenient to follow that directive,but even when it's inconvenient. If that had been the case, America never would have suffered through a Jim Crow era.So, as I've always maintained in my battle against ladies'night,it has never been about the stupid bar and nightclub promotion which gives favors to women because they're women,or allows horny men to get lucky at the expense of drunk women,or bar owners who hope to capitalize on breaking the law, rather, it has always been about consistency in law enforcement;if a law is made then let's either enforce it consistently regardless of who is at either end of the stick, or let's can it. That's the way to a more just,peaceful,and effective co-existence among the genders,races,families,business offices,and all human interaction. I can't help but believe that those who argue and disagree with that premise are either self-serving,ignorant,or both.Steve Horner
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Shaking My Head 11/28/2010 8:52:00 PM
Did Horner really compare the Jim Crow era to ladies' nights? Last time I checked, people we not being killed because they had to pay $7 for a drink versus $5. I get the issue this story is talking about but his comparison is bull. You can decided to walk into a bar. You cannot decide your race. Horner should be ashamed of the comparison.
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Pete 11/28/2010 2:53:00 AM
You ignorant fucks. Your fallacious ad hominem logic is pure bullshit; just because Steve Horner is an asshole doesn't make his argument any less creditable. Imagine the uproar if some bar hosted a Whites' Night. Fucking idiots.
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MoonliteSonata 11/28/2010 12:23:00 AM
As a woman I agree that men's rights are violated by gender biased specials as the law stands. However, it was women who ruined it for women. As one of my favorite quotes says: "Whenever women have insisted on absolute equality with men, they have invariably wound up on the dirty end of the stick. What they are and what they can do makes them superior to men, and their proper tactic is to demand special privileges, all the traffic will bear. They should never settle merely for equality. For women, “equality” is a disaster." - Robert A. Heinlein (Lazarus Long, in Time Enough for Love)
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Jake 11/24/2010 2:18:00 AM
This guy is perfectly correct on this issue. It is absolute horse-sh$$ for a bar to charge a cover for a guy; but, not a chick. For you whiners out there about this guy: how about this: rock concerts are $15 cheaper for ladies! How about that? You get lots of drunk women in there and you can go score.
How pathetic are these other guys who are complaining about Horner!! They are the douche bags. What, you can't score unless the chick is drunk?? and if you have to actually buy her a drink?? Losers!!!
The guy is doing you all a favor, short and long term. If he wants to waste his time...time in which he gets to learn the legal system..that is his call. like you douche bags are doing anything more productive with your lifes! Hell, you are on this forum whining about him..just proves how unproductive you are with your lives. and, yes, I am unproductive and wish I was half as productive as someone who picked up and cause and didn't back down from it.
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Steve Horner 11/23/2010 12:36:00 AM
"Spouting idiocies?" JayDubbadubdub? If women like you(please don't call yourself a man)got off your butt now and then and stood ever vigilant,you'd recognize the facts of many matters.In this case of ladies'night,I can't tell you how many groups of feminists I have tried to enlist in my battle somehow hoping that they will see the hypocricies of ladies'night and how it patronizes women,but they don't.They recognize that ladies'nights give favors to women, a member of the "oppressed and disadvantaged" crowd,so they allow the gender-based pricing promotion to continue without filing complaints.Same as the women at the Minnesota Department of Human Rights: they knew for fifteen years that I had proven ladies'nights to be illegal,but they sat on their hands doing nothing until I filed five complaints in Minnesota in June of '09.I've also tried to enlist the support of the ACLU,but the response has been no different than from groups like NOW.The female director of the Denver area ACLU(Katherine;I can't remember her last name but she's no longer there)told me(and I have this on tape)"Horner,the reason we don't support your battle with ladies'night is because you're full of shit." Can you imagine her telling that to an overweight,black lesbian Jew female in a wheel chair? Hardly. And then,JayDubbadubdub,the bar owners mostly tell me that ladies'nights brings out nasty entitlement attitudes in women and they're lousy tippers;many bar owners have given up ladies'nights years ago.Finally, JayDubadubdub,I'm particularly happy to shut down ladies'nights for losers scum weasels like you who need to get a woman drunk to get laid.
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JayDub 11/22/2010 10:44:00 PM
Horner is an idiot to tell feminists to "take the salt with the sugar". All feminist I know would agree with him on this issue. And I'm pretty sure no feminist EVER has fought for ladies night. That was not on the agenda. Sure, we like the free drinks, but I would agree with him that it is unfair. Instead of spouting to the feminists and "gals", Horner should confront the dudes who put ladies night in place. (I don't think ladies night is only meant to benefit the ladies with drinks. I think the goal is mainly for dudes... very unfeminist when you look at it.)
Anyway, Horner, sweetie, give this some more thought before you start spouting idiocies.
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Steve Horner 11/20/2010 1:18:00 AM
There's an EVEN BIGGER part of the story missing. A day or two after I filed with the Minnesota Department of Human Rights against the five Twin Cities nightclubs for gender-based -pricing(ladies'night)in 2009,the commissioner,not wanting to be seen as sleeping on the job,and knowing ladies'night is illegal from my settlement in the 90s,took it upon herself to dismiss MY suits,and filed HER OWN suits. When asked why she did that,she said it was to expedite the process.So, knowing that was a lie,I filed again against Sally's,and that's when the Department refused to take my charge,and that's what I'm angry about.It also should be known that my battle is not about the protection of the rights of "bald white men" as noted in the City Pages story; rather, my parenting books(stevehornerbooks.com) spotlight my protests against hypocritical public policies(hypocrisy is always based on lies)on issues ranging from A-Z;abortion to Zionism.My contention is that if a person STANDS for nothing,he/she FALLS for everything.What do you stand for?
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Joe 11/19/2010 4:20:00 AM
Uh, Sally's has a "guys drink free" night AND an "everybody drinks free" night. It's more than fair there. I don't know about other bars but if they're going to have ladies nights, that's a pretty good model.
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Scrull 11/19/2010 2:54:00 AM
WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!!
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11/19/2010 1:23:00 AM
There is a big part of the story that is missing. The 5 bars that Horner filed complaints against didn't get off that easy. after they threw out Horners case the State of Minnesota decided to go after the same 5 bars themselves. Jersey's Bar, The Wild Onion, Bogarts and The Dive Bar.
They rewarded Horner $100.00 back in the 90's but felt that wasn't enough. They tried to get up to $18,000 from each establishment, most settled at $5000 mainly to just get on with our daily business. Jerseys will have a blog written about this soon, be on the lookout for the full story.
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peeved 11/19/2010 1:11:00 AM
He's right up there with those wackos that protest at veteran's funerals. He's definitely taking advantage of the legal system. In fact, he's lucky that the system in this country protects him against retaliation by peeved males that think ladies nights are perfectly fine.
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TajMc 11/19/2010 12:16:00 AM
Um...Mr. Horner. Its really not infringing on your rights at all. If a business wants to draw business by attracting a certain clientele, that's perfectly fine. It would be infringing if it limited a certain clientele from showing up, which many clubs do with certain dress codes. And that's still technically legal. So really, you're just an ass sandwich that apparently needs a really pathetic platform to trumpet your broken ideals.
But well done. I'm sure this is really the issue you'll be proud to have spent so much of your life's energy to on your deathbed.
Also, when people are fighting for rights, they typically limit the times they mention "I" and "mine," as its generally a selfless fight for a particular segment of the population, instead of a pointless personal vendetta.
Ps. You're dumb.
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Kristina 11/18/2010 11:06:00 PM
Don’t get me wrong I think Horner is a douche but not because he thinks ladies nights are a form of discrimination. It is a form of discrimination, although minor, and I'll give him that. He is a douche because he tries to fight for equal rights by being so derogatory towards women. Women as a collective didn’t create ladies night, it was created by bars as a marketing tool. Calling his book CUNT and his last statements in the article are enraging. I think he found a way to make a quick buck off of suing bars for ladies nights and now wants to say that he is doing it for equal rights. Yea right, if he was doing it for equal rights he would realize that he didn’t have to be so chauvinistic about women to do it.
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Peebles 11/18/2010 9:54:00 PM
For lack of a better phrase...
What a douche
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Michael 11/18/2010 1:40:00 AM
He just doesn't get that ladies night is for men. It gets lots of drunk women out to the bar.
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todd 11/17/2010 11:12:00 PM
this guy should find a life _uck him what a waste of life.
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Bill Palmer 11/17/2010 8:19:00 PM
This guy is a clear example of what is wrong here in America; abuse of the legal system. He isn't a folk hero, he wastes tax payer dollars in MN from his home in Utah. Get a clue and a life. Stop wasting my money for your pathetic little crusade. More people should stand up and scream "Enough". These abuses of the legal system affect all of us in higher consumer prices and taxes.
And look at yourself in the mirror. Ladies night might be a benefit.
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Seph 11/17/2010 7:29:00 PM
Ladies night is just a marketing technique!! Do you guys really want a ‘guys night’ where 80% of the bar goers are male? A ‘sausage fest’ is nice if you are gay, but most straight men would prefer to spend their night with a bunch of liquored up ladies.
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Chad 11/17/2010 7:32:00 AM
His real complaint is that he can't score in a bar full of drunk women.
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Frank 11/17/2010 6:32:00 AM
This Horner guy is rather pathetic, isn't he? Holy crap there are bigger things to worry about in this world.
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Banjo Guy From Deliverance 11/17/2010 6:06:00 AM
Tha gy that rote this iza peece of shit for saying the thing about bald white men and I agree with the other bald white guy that complained in tha other comment. Steve Horna iz my hero.
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Ross 11/17/2010 4:05:00 AM
I believe Steve Horner is right. Why should women get something for free, when us men have to pay for it. I believe in equality, women always want to be treated equally. They should get treated the same as men. This is fair.
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Scott 11/17/2010 3:54:00 AM
Whoever wrote this is a piece of shit by saying this is a quest for the rights of bald white men. This is a gender issue for ALL men no matter what race they are. Think of the flip side where bars only have a guys night. Unlike men, girls aren't pussies and would drive the bars into the ground in complaints and legal fees.
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ronald 11/17/2010 3:22:00 AM
PPPPPPLLLLLEEEEAAAASSSSEEEE TELL ME HE HAS SOMETHING BETTER TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!