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OT 03/12/2011 7:34:00 PM
I am curious how many of these JJ employees, that are organizing, have actually worked for the company more than a couple years? Every business that I have ever worked for always have a thing called "promotions." This is where you move up within the company, take on more responsibilities, and in turn get compensated for it.
With the high turnover rate in the food service industry, the company is always investing big bucks to hire, train, and maintain good employees. Labor is by far the largest expense to these companies. Having a high turnover rate requires the business to higher larger staffs to do the same work as an experienced smaller staff. If this (these) businesses have long-term experienced staff, then it would be in their best interest to give them a raise, maybe some sick days or even Holiday pay, etc. What I would be really interested to know is, "How many of these food-service union organizers as JJs will still be working at the company two years down the road?"
I'm not saying that organizing is bad thing, or a good thing for that matter. In this situation, I see organizing in this fashion as detrimental to this business and the long-run satisfaction of their employees. I think that each employee should have to prove themselves, in this case at a minimum wage level, and show the management that they are proficient at the duties they are required to perform. If they do a good job then they should be rewarded in some fashion. If JJs offers no means of advancement, is breaking laws, or is just an awful place to work, then they will eventually do themselves in.
All unionizing will do in this situation is create more headache for the business owner, it's employees, and the Union themselves.
How many of these hourly employees see these jobs as a career path that they plan to follow
for more than 1 year when they apply for the job?
How many of these ambitious career driven individuals are denied advancement within this company?
From a realistic view, if you are a good employee to the company and do not have sick days, I'm sure something can be done under the circumstances that you become ill so that you can take a sick day. Most of the arguments being presented for forming a Union seem like common sense here. If employees do good work for their employer then most of these "conditions" should take care of themselves. That's just good business! Bringing in an outside party in this setting just does not make a whole lotta sense to me.
I wonder if anyone will even reply to this post, or if this thing is already dead in the water anyways!
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humbleworker 10/30/2010 7:56:00 AM
This fight isn't over.
And to those of you who apparently hate poor people, like myself, trying to make conditions better. fuck you. never mind the tired dialogue. we don't need you.
One Big Union
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mark 10/23/2010 5:09:00 AM
thanks god this vote was defeated. Can you imagine the whinning that we would hear if this vote was successful and the owner bargained only to the extent that the workers "got" only what they already have? This needs to be the end of this BS! move on with your demands for entitlement... you are NOT owed anything.
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Ted 10/22/2010 8:58:00 PM
I quit buying Jimmy Johns a long time ago. The "workers" could not get a sandwich order correct 2 out of 3 times. They were always too busy talking to each other to listen to the customers. They also have a little bulletin board that was always full of left wing politica drivel. Maybe the government can buy them out when the new union destroys the business. Chevrolet, Chrysler, Jimmy johns.... None for me thanks. :)
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Andrew 10/17/2010 4:46:00 AM
I fully support this unionization effort. Pretty much everything the IWW workers have said can actually be generalized across the entire food service sector...a lack of consistent scheduling, no sick days, 1 hour shifts, etc. To "UnionHater" and other posters with similar monikers...You don't speak for me. The "free markets" you profess to love so much are responsible for the downward mobility and "risk society" we now enjoy today. So...thanks for that. You represent a rotten system.
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Scott 10/14/2010 2:35:00 PM
The IWW is a communist organization. We all saw how the unions destroyed the auto industry. If this sandwich shop chain goes union, they will not survive. Then all these little jobs will just go away and the IWW folks will have to turn to pan handling or petty crime to get their dimes.
It's a sandwich shop! These jobs are ideal for young students, not for raising a family.
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bob 10/06/2010 8:33:00 AM
"If you're approaching it from the perspective of, 'We want these people to pay dues to our union,' fast food just wasn't going to provide the return on the big investment it would take to unionize."
...what a cynical and biased comment, and from a self-described labor historian, no less...
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Kevin Chavis 10/05/2010 4:57:00 AM
This is such great news! Thank you for covering this!
I live a couple blocks from a Jimmy John's. Many of my neighbors work there to include friends. Their management does not respect employees and it is long overdue that their workers gain some respect.
The only people adamantly opposed to unions are the same people who want to abolish other worker friendly laws like the minimum wage and the 40-hour workweek. Perhaps others who are uninformed follow suit but that doesn't mean they can make legitimate arguments against unions.
How many of the anti-union trolls on here are paid off by the corporations? I would rather that extra corporate money spent on actual workers instead of politicians and lobbyists.
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Nate 10/05/2010 3:35:00 AM
Here's what happened with the rotten meat incident. The person didn't want to serve spoiled meat, was order to do so, refused, the manager started to prepare it to serve, she called the Health Department and now the company is threatening her job. She's part of the union because she knows that she needs a group of co-workers to back her up.
http://jimmyjohnsworkers.org/news/201009/jimmy-johns-employee-chopping-block-refusing-serve-rotten-meat
The union is a group of people who care about customer health, more than management does. The union is an organization of people who want paid sick days, an end to management harassing people who ask for unpaid sick days, and who stand up against management's orders to serve rotten meat. As a customer, my interests are with the union. It's the same with healthcare - hospitals where the nurses are unionized have lower accident rates than non-union hospitals, because the nurses can stand up for good patient care and safe staffing ratios. As a customer I for one would be willing to pay a little extra to buy sandwiches at Jimmy John's if they were unionized because of the Jimmy John's workers having paid sick days and standing up for customer health by not serving rotten meat.
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Flapjack 10/04/2010 4:34:00 AM
Morons... why do you think there aren't any professional jobs left? Because the companies saw the writing on the wall and realized that union greed was hurting their bottom line.
THAT'S why corporations took operations overseas, you idiots! You're going to kill the goose that lays the golden egg!
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Brian 10/02/2010 8:19:00 PM
I will never understand why business owners are expected to act in their own self interests, but when the proles do it, we entertain the idea that this should be controversial.
Yes, living wages will add to the cost of your sandwich. You know what else makes your sandwich more expensive? The profit that the owner skims off the top. Why is one fair game and the other not, especially considering that the owner adds absolutely no value to the equation?
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UnionHater 10/01/2010 9:01:00 PM
Perhaps my corner of the world is pretty dark. I don’t know. I spent 10 years working with attorneys and that dog-eat-dog reality could make anyone’s view of the world dark and jaded, I suppose. But its also a deep look into the mindset of a lot of people and businesses. Everyone is out to protect themselves. Whether it’s a merger, contract negotiation, or divorce, people our out to protect themselves and put themselves in the best situation regardless of how it effects others. But its not just in the lawfirm. I see this behavior everywhere. I live in a city with a very high foreclosure rate. While I sympathize with people who have fallen on hard times and can no longer afford their homes, that’s not what’s going on in my neck of the woods. People started doing “jingle mail” where they realized their homes were worth substantially less than the mortgages so they bought a new home for a fraction of their current home and let their old home fall into foreclosure…which in turn, made everyone else’s home value fall even further. I live in a part of the world where, in this economy where food banks can’t afford to keep their doors open because donations are down and schools can’t pay for text books because the property values have fallen so much that they can’t collect taxes, teachers, through their unions, are demanding more money and threatening to strike, children’s educations be damned. While I agree that teachers are notoriously underpaid, now may not be the best time to ask for a raise given the fact the city and state can barely afford to keep the lights on. But then, I don’t see the government officials, who are supposed to be acting on the best interests of their people, taking pay cuts. I see my HR director stress and worry about dealing with the 2 departments who have unions because she doesn’t know how she is going to meet their demands, while keeping the corporate budget balanced…usually it works out so that the unionized workers get raises and increased healthcare benes and while the rest have frozen salaries and increasing premiums. So I guess it fits with my world view that people would join unions…you gotta look out for number 1, because if you don’t no one will. I suppose, then, I shouldn’t begrudge others for joining unions since it puts people in a better position, even though it drives up the costs for the rest of us. I’m glad that you have a union job and can afford to pay higher prices for things, but I can’t. But then, its kind of moot point since I can’t afford to eat a sandwich at Jimmy John’s anyways. Perhaps, next time you go pick up your sandwich, you could leave a 10 spot in the tip jar…that would be a great way to make sure that the producers are being paid a fairer wage.
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John 10/01/2010 7:32:00 PM
Your view of the world or your corner of it sounds rather sad and lonely, UnionHater. I think that people are motivated by many different things; I understand from what you write that you're motivated by greed (maybe because you see no alternative in your "dog-eat-dog" corporate world). Similarly, some of us are motivated by solidarity and a more enlightened self-interest. I'm also "college educated" and with a professional (and unionized) job, and I think that your attitude sucks. I support any workers who want to organize a union, particularly one that is membership-directed like the Jimmy John's union affiliated with the IWW. They create the wealth, make the sandwiches, and they have a right to their fair share of the pie. It sounds like the owners are operating with a health profit margin and that in a competitive industry like fast food, wage increases will compress profits while holding prices. And frankly, if profit margins were small, I'd be prepared to pay a dollar more a sandwich for fairer wages for producers.
I also think that your argument about inflation is rather...weak. That's really a big problem right now in the U.S. economy, isn't it?
North American workers are always dragging each other down while letting the ultra-rich mortgage our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren's future. Why is that?
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thedude 10/01/2010 4:21:00 AM
I love it. A bunch of little Lewbowski's. Stoned and lazy.....
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UnionHater 10/01/2010 3:16:00 AM
Not a troll, not a guy – therefore not a misogynist, not 14 years old, not a racist. I used to have a crappy low paying jobs in the food service and retail industries…then I went to college, took Econ 101, got a degree, and left my fast food job for greener, better paying pastures with regular hours, sick days and paid vacation.
I wish I lived in your candy coated, rose colored world, Erik, where people were altruistic, not greedy, and borderline communistic…but I live in America, land of Capitalism and everyone for themselves. Boss-man isn’t going to part with his money to make sure his dread-head workers are happy. If they don’t like it, they can find a new minimum wage job. Boss-man is going to jack up the price of his sandwiches or cut the cost of other inputs. This may not be a flattering picture of America, but its true. If it wasn’t, there wouldn’t be such a gap between the rich and the poor. But there is. God bless America.
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Johhny 10/01/2010 2:58:00 AM
Can someone please tell me what these jackasses deserve? I have a union job and I make $17/hr. If I could make the same pay while making F'n sandwiches instead of shoveling concrete I would. And by the way, if it rains I don't get payed. I guess with their logic I should go to the owner and demand that rain is unfair and I should get paid anyways. Its called an "entry level" job. We have all done it at one time or another. The key is to actually go out and at least try to make something of yourselves. To end it, I've been at the uptown JJ's...I saw 2 white kids with dreadlocks and a few other kids with holes in their ears the size of quarters....WTF...put down the hash pipe and find somewhere else to work.....Ragstock....electric fetus....Gamestop....you'd fit right in.......
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Erik Davis 09/30/2010 10:45:00 PM
UnionHater is a troll; pay no attention, as he's almost certainly the same pimply-faced 14-year old who spews racist or misogynistic garbage on other forums. He's not even making actual arguments.
@DR - nobody is suggesting that Jimmy Johns would have to raise their sub prices to $15, or at all. The bosses live in multi-million dollar homes and make gargantuan profits. So what if they make a little bit less and the workers are paid a living wage? The sandwich prices only need to go up if the bosses are so greedy that simply enormous profits are not enough for them. Which says a lot about them as human beings.
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Fellow Worker 09/30/2010 8:30:00 PM
"No one has ever organized a fast-food restaurant before,"
??? There have been many different campaigns, and there are even several fast food restaurants with a union here in BC. I wish you had done 5 seconds of research before you wrote this otherwise solid piece.
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Todd 09/30/2010 11:56:00 AM
Hey, Peter Rachleff. I painted that dude's fence.
Or... Thompson's Water-sealed it or whatever.
Good man.
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Kevin S. 09/30/2010 9:54:00 AM
Thanks to City Pages for this article. This campaign is a huge deal for our city, and for the world of business and labor. What with the economic crisis it is a bigger deal than ever - and about time at that. Great going Jimmy John's workers! Best wishes winning the election and winning your demands, no matter what it takes. Keep the news coming!
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DR 09/30/2010 2:19:00 AM
I hate to break it to you but no one will pay $15 for a sub sandwich. The stores will close and you can hold your union rallies at home in your section 8 housing. No one's forcing you to work there-make yourself more valuable to another company and work your way up. Doesn't "long-time employee...of Jimmy John's" bother you enough to make something better of yourself?
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Joe112 09/30/2010 2:04:00 AM
Good for the IWW. I hope their unionizing drive is successful and I look forward to reading more about this as it develops.
Unionhater's arguments are not convincing.
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UnionHater 09/29/2010 10:22:00 PM
Nate, why didn't the worker call the Heath Department? Instead of taking the opportunity to make sure the whole place was up to par? Standing up to a boss because of something they are doing that isn't right is grounds to be a whistleblower, not a unionizer.
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UnionHater 09/29/2010 10:19:00 PM
OMG! I didn't know JJ's enslaved children and made their bread in a sweatshop?! Gee, maybe the children of the bread should unionize. Oh wait, JJ employes students and other people who, either by choice or requirement, have a crappy job at a fast food restaurant...took the job because they agreed to do the work for the pay offered...and now want a better situation. I'm all for workers trying to better their position, whether its a fast food worker wanting regular hours, or a middle manager looking for a raise, but a union is not the way to do it.
Adam - why not let your invisible hand do its thing?
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Nate 09/29/2010 9:56:00 PM
In response to Union Hater -
That person's chosen name says a lot. They start from hating unions and go from there. They have already concluded in advance that unions are bad, no matter what. That seems really closed-minded to me.
In this particular union drive, the workers have already demonstrated that they have similar interests to customers. There's a story on the union web site about a union member standing up against a manager who told her to serve rotten meat.
http://jimmyjohnsworkers.org/news/201009/jimmy-johns-employee-chopping-block-refusing-serve-rotten-meat
The thing about sick days in this article speaks to that too, the workers and customers both have an interest in these workers succeeding. The workers don't want to work sick and as a fast food customer I don't want my food made or delivered by sick people.
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Adam Smith 09/29/2010 9:38:00 PM
UnionHater, right on! I mean, we should be lucky to get paid at all for working, right? I can't understand why more people don't offer to work for free, in the name of freedom!
Your economics lesson is really useful, but one thing - hasn't it always been a so-called "free market", even "in the past with the days of child labor and sweatshops"? Do you really think child labor and sweatshops don't exist?
Wake up! Read a newspaper, hell, watch some television instead of trolling around the web.
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Jeff 09/29/2010 9:26:00 PM
An inspiring story, having worked in this industry for a long time. It seems to me unionizing really translates into talking to your co-workers about how best to improve things on the job - the places we spend a majority of our lives. So many people nowadays tow the company's line and either bash unions (or employees organizing), or keep their heads down so as not to rock the boat.
Thanks City Pages for running this stuff - the IWW approach sounds interesting and refreshing and hope to see more about them in the future.
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UnionHater 09/29/2010 8:23:00 PM
This is the worst idea I've ever heard. Unions may have had a place in the past with the days of child labor and sweatshops, but now they don't. This is a free market. You don't wanna work at JJs? Try BK or McDs. Or find a new industry all together. Can't find another job? Be glad you have something and quit yer bitchin. There are people all over this country and all over the world who would (and do) risk everything, their family, their futures, their freedoms and their lives, to come to this country illegally to work weird hours at multiple jobs because its better than they had back home.
When workers unionize, the costs of goods and services go up because the cost of the worker increases. Businesses aren't charity and most business owners aren't going to cut their profit (and in the case of JJ or any other fast food chain I would assume they have a pretty small profit margin) to make up the diffrerence. The increase in the cost is going to get passed on to the consumers...so we will all pay even more for our JJ fix, or decide JJ isn't worth it and make our own sandwiches. Then JJ will be out of buisness and all thoes workers who bitched about their crappy job will have NO job.
And increase minimum wage? Yeah, great idea...if you like inflation. Same principles apply here - when you increase the cost of the input, the cost of the output is higher. God forbid Walmart ever unionize...we wouldn't be able to afford our TP.
This is economics 101...don't like it? Leave...try your luck in any other country in the world and see if its any better there.
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John Hollingsworth 09/29/2010 8:22:00 AM
These workers are on the cutting edge of a new model of bottom-up unionism and the repercussions of this organizing could go far beyond the Jimmy John's franchise chain, and maybe even beyond the retail and fast food sector of the economy. Let's hope so!
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Nate 09/29/2010 7:27:00 AM
Thank you for this story. This is an important and historic local development, part of a long and proud Minnesota tradition. I'm glad to see the City Pages cover this.
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Daniel 09/29/2010 6:38:00 AM
This is so cool!
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Annie 09/29/2010 5:49:00 AM
Service industry jobs are quickly replacing industry in the US, with an increasing number of the population, including high school and college graduates finding themselves working them. It is absurd to expect these workers to continue getting unstable hours, poverty wages, no healthcare, and no sick days when these "entry level" jobs are all we have left. This is the first step in many that will ensure that all working people are able to live a decent life.
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Mike Collins 09/29/2010 5:29:00 AM
Excellent article. When's the election? I would love to hear what happens if they win.
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D S 09/29/2010 5:16:00 AM
Thanks for covering this issue.
If service work is what will be there for my children, let it be service work that pays a living wage and respects the workers.
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Erik Davis 09/29/2010 5:12:00 AM
These workers are heroes; standing up for your rights in a fast-food situation is nothing short of bravery. Too many people think that fast-food is a teenagers and slackers-only occupation, but if these are the jobs left to us after NAFTA and a million other anti-working-class changes, then these people are leading the way to a better tomorrow, where we don't beg for low-paid work.