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Burger Time

Readers respond to "Sizzlin'!"

I still do not understand the hype behind California's In-N-Out Burger. Yes, they are good, but not better than anything we have here in the Midwest. I was kind of disappointed the first time I ate there. Culver's ButterBurgers are definitely better. Also, Salut's burger is better than Burger Jones, why is that?

Comment by Tuit2112

I'd like to add an honorable mention, listed as that because this place no longer exists, but it deserves a proper eulogy: Andy's Tap.

Long the home of Bloomington families, with your standard bar-and-grill fare, cooked well on a greasy fry surface, then stacked in deli baskets from tips of fingers to shoulders of the wonderful staff. This is not the fancy gourmet burger of the Bulldog NE but is great in its simplicity. (My favorite was actually the brat burger, but I digress.)

With all of the hype our neighboring city's Lion's Tap used to get, Andy's was ours (and frankly better). Unfortunately, the longtime landlord decided the whole building had to go (they were in a small strip mall), and then it was over.

RIP Andy's Tap. We miss you.

Comment by Nate Dogg from Minneapolis

Really, Matt's Bar and not 5-8 Club...you guys are liberals, always thinking you know so much, but it's all just soooo wrong...and btw, the Bulldog's burgers suck, just 'cause you throw blue cheese and olives on it doesn't mean you are creative!

Comment by Erik from Minneapolis

I agree completely with the previous poster regarding In-N-Out Burger. I tried it when I was in L.A. and didn't think it was any better than Wendy's (and certainly not better than Culver's).

As far as missing burger offerings, I second the Nook. Probably the best burger I've ever had. But really, after all the hype from their Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives appearance and the oft-repeated quote from Barbara Streisand, that option is pretty obvious. One option that isn't (but deserves infinite praise) is the burger at the Meritage in downtown St. Paul. Brilliant!

Comment by Alec Syntax from Saint Paul

Went to Smash Burger yesterday and it was pretty good. We had two complaints: You couldn't taste the malt in the malt shakes, and there was no seasoning in the meat. Don't people season their burgers before they grill them? You wouldn't grill a steak without seasoning it first, so why a burger? Service was nice and we got our food very quickly.

Comment by CJ from Columbia Heights

Thanks for the tip, it's Meritage next week.

Comment by Greg from St. Paul

The Nook (Randolph and Hamline in St. Paul) should certainly be on any list of "best hamburger joints," not only in the Twin Cities but nationwide. The Juicy Nookie is as good as it gets!

Comment by Greg from St. Paul

Iran Pullout

Thank you for the great article on the horrible Iran Divestment Bill that was jammed through the Legislature by powerful lobbyists and endorsed by well-meaning but ill-informed legislators ("Muddle East," 6/10/09). National security is threatened, and the state may lose up to a half billion in equity in addition to the unnecessary transfer fee loss. Why was this article not published during the session? The lobbyists win again.

Bill Sorem Minnetonka

Obama and Iran

Matt Snyders's recent article missed the mark on Minnesota's new law against state pension funds investing in Iran's energy sector. The article says we missed the new Obama approach to Iran. Actually, Obama sponsored a bill when he was in the Senate to encourage states to divest for foreign companies that do business in the Iranian energy sector. As president, he has sanctioned financial firms doing business with Iran, and while we were debating this legislation, he extended, by executive order, the federal government's sanctions against Iran. Whether economic sanctions are a good idea regarding Iran can be debated, but the bill we passed is absolutely consistent with Obama's strategy. He's pursuing peaceful negotiations, while making clear that there will be economic consequences if Iran does not participate in those peaceful negotiations. So, far from not getting his memo, we actually are acting in a manner that is consistent with the new policy.

Ryan Winkler Golden Valley

 
  • Helm Matthews 06/30/2009 1:47:00 AM

    I like hotdogs.

  • Nick 06/26/2009 7:29:00 PM

    First off you are crazy if you have to ask why matts is better than 5-8. I have been a long time customer of both, and frankly 5-8 has fallen off the map in recent years. You know it gets bad when you have to start offering varieties of a burger that was already stolen from matts. Second Culvers is a good burger don't get me wrong, but the taste and price combination make in and out a far better burger. In perspective it is hard to spend $10 on a meal at in and out, and hard to get out of culvers for less than $10. Something about paying those kind of prices seems to always subtract from the taste.

  • Kyle 06/25/2009 10:23:00 PM

    Few things are more controversial around here than burgers. Opinions on local burgers are like bellybuttons, everybody has one. That being said: 1) Couldn't agree more about in-n-out. It is unquestionably a very good quality fast food burger. It is not as good as Culvers or Smashburger. 2) Matt's Jucy Lucy is better in my opinion than 5-8 or Nook. The latter two burgers are very good, and more traditional Minnesota pub-style burger. Matt's is really unique. The very crispy outside with the cheesy/juicy center make it a true delight. 3) Bulldog burgers are the best around. Or at least they were. When Bulldog NE opened, they had these well-seasoned amazing concoctions which made a crazy good party in my mouth. My last two burgers there (in May and January) were not as good. They changed something, though I can't put my finger on what it was. My suspicion is that they are not aging their meat like they were or are cheaping out on the grind. Just my $.02.

  • for4rest 06/24/2009 11:17:00 PM

    I can answer why there is all the hype about In N Out; it's awesome!! First you have to compare apples to apples. No, it's not the best burger around, but it's damn tasty for fast food and they use fresh ingredients. Culver's butterburger is waaaayyyy over rated. I've never been impressed. And, the fries at Culver's suck. In N Out has them beat in both burger and complete meal.

  • dave schroeder 06/24/2009 10:35:00 PM

    Here is my letter to the editor regarding the City Pages' article ( http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2009/06/minneapolis_fla.php ) posted and printed June 17th, 2009 about Flashbelt. (Emily Kaiser -"writer", Kevin Hoffman - Editor in Chief) khoffman@citypages.com It appears they have chosen not to post the letter in conjunction with the City Pages' updated posts. June 17th, 2009 Minneapolis, MN Letter to the editor Regarding last weeks CP Blotter "blurb" Powerpoint Penis, online and in print. I am compelled to point out a few missing elements of what Emily Kaiser "reported". (Or copied and pasted from the internet). I started the Flashbelt Conference and have produced it in the TCs for 6 years. It is a unique, world class event. There's nothing like it in any other US city that I know of. It has a long reputation of enhancing the interactive/web/arts community in Minnesota, and inspiring attendees who travel in from places like Europe, New York, LA, Chicago, Texas and Hawaii. Of that I am extremely proud. I love this community. I love the event and I stand behind its integrity. The content presented in Hoss Gifford's session was offensive and I do not condone that. It's not what I intend to present to my attendees. I accept full responsibility for this and openly admit that I am ultimately responsible for this incident. Out the 180 presentations I have brought to Minnesota over the last 6 years, I made a mistake with this one presentation . Hot seat deserved; Hot seat accepted. I apologize. However, that does not make it acceptable to misrepresent the facts or make uninformed generalizations about an industry or community as a whole. I utterly protest this line from your story, " While some attendees found the presentation highly offensive, the boys' club that is the Flash community fought back, calling them prudish." It's widely visible online around this entire saga that the majority of men in the Flash community did not respond this way. In fact, they responded to the contrary. I know this community very well, I suspect better than Emily does, and can tell you that this is a gross exaggeration, one-sided and inflammatory. The community you are so easily able to label and defame deserves a public apology from the author and CP. It is important to note that Courtney Remes, the GeekGirls and myself have been available publicly for comment since day one. Emily did not make any attempt to contact any of us while "reporting" on this. It is also important to note that this is not a defense of the offensive presentation. It is a response to unbalanced journalism, which has led to an inaccurate portrayal of the overall Flashbelt Conference and the Flash Community at large. Another oversight, "Geek Girls Guide called out one of the keynote speakers, Hoss Gifford, for his presentation, which turned into a bunch of giant cocks having orgasms." On June 11th, the Geek Girls posted a letter from Courtney Remes (written on June 10th), along with a call to action. The day before, on June 10th, I personally addressed the attendees at the conference with an apology for the session. Courtney and the GeekGirls put the conversation online. But I had identified to problem and assumed responsibility for it well before that, so my response to this is not a result of their actions or pressure from the court of public opinion. They're involvement has brought it to a larger stage, which in the end is good, because now Courtney, the Geek Girls, the community and I are working together to create a pro-active dialog on the issues of gender, inclusiveness and appropriateness. All of which I feel are extremely important. For a lot more on this I encourage your readers to visit flashbelt.com to find links to opinions and comments from all sides, including my complete public apology and an statement made by Hoss Gifford. Please be more thorough in the future. Sincerely, Dave Schroeder, Flashbelt Conference Producer, dave@flashbelt.com

  • Bob 06/24/2009 8:05:00 PM

    In-N-Out has a classic formula, unchanged since 1948: Quality and Customer Service. This long time InNOuter will have disagree with the statement 'no different than Wendy's'. In-N-Out is daily fresh and cooking does not start until it is ordered. Wendy's is frozen, thawed, cooked, heat lamp, ordered and served.

 

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