CP: Do you think the perceived legitimacy of ultimate fighting is a problem?
JR: A lot of people aware of the sport think of it as human cock fighting. I disagree, but it's a valid thought. It's a bunch of dudes beating each other in a cage. No matter how you slice that, that's pretty scary. But it's also a form of human competition. It's a way to challenge oneself. There's an old quote by Miyamoto Musashi, a very famous samurai, who wrote The Book of Five Rings. He stated that once you know the way broadly, you can see it in all things. Once you become adept at one very difficult thing, you can use that focus and channel it into any aspect of life. That is probably the most important part of any martial art, and probably the most easily overlooked.
CP: There's a YouTube clip out there of you contemplating the electability of Ron Paul. Do you think it's possible for a controversial, not particularly mainstream politician to win a U.S. presidential election?
JR: I'm not entirely sure that voting is real anymore. You used to be able to accurately predict the results of an election with exit polls. Last election, the exit polls were horribly off. The voting machines are created by Diebold, a company that supports the Republican Party with millions of dollars. The GOP is notorious for doing whatever it takes to win. So, at this point in time I am not entirely convinced that voting is real. Onstage, I sometimes say that voting for the president is a lot like rooting on pro wrestling: It makes you feel better to do it, but I am not sure it affects the outcome. If corporations are willing to lead people into a war, killing hundreds of thousands for profit, do you really think that they wouldn't rig an election?
CP: In the past, you've discussed your experience with the psychedelic DMT. Here in Minnesota, state lawmakers have recently tried to ban the legal hallucinogen salvia. Do you think there's a need to regulate this type of drug? Is there a line between "psychedelically potent" and "socially dangerous"?
JR: You should kill those lawmakers. Hunt them down and kill them like dogs. You know, it's not about seeing pretty colors and having a good time with your friends—you can do that and it's fairly harmless—but really it's about exploring consciousness and altered states of reality. Reality is a very strange thing as it is. The idea that we are on a rock spinning around at thousands of miles an hour through the universe, through an infinite void of space, is weird. We don't think about that daily, but eat some mushrooms, and you will think about it. That's what psychedelic experiences are about: offering you a view of a world outside of your world. It's terrifying for the people trying to keep humans inside a jar of predetermined behavior. They're not really afraid of people dying or getting hurt; they're afraid of the social aspect. They're protecting you from enlightenment. Those aren't people you want in office.
Joe Rogan does standup comedy this Friday, with UFC commentary this Saturday at Target Center.
Fri., Aug. 8, 8 p.m., 2008